A Video & Podcast Series

WineChats

Join me for an authentic conversation over wine where we uncover the stories behind the glass.

Episode 1

45 Min

Perfect Ripeness Is a Myth.

with Louis Skinner, Force Majeure & Weathereye Vineyards, Red Mountain

Presented by Mistral WineCards & the Wine with Seth App

Louis Skinner doesn't romanticize winemaking. Waiting for perfect ripeness, in his words, is the most bullshit explanation he's ever heard.

We trace the path. Car geek in Los Angeles. Retail at Fine Wines in Redmond. The cellar at Betz Family Winery under Bob Betz, MW. Now he makes the wine at two of Red Mountain's most acclaimed producers, Force Majeure and Weathereye.

We open a 2022 Épinette, the right bank blend of Merlot and Cabernet Franc from the Force Majeure estate. What came out of the conversation: the Bob Betz feedback loop, the rapid color liberation test, why Red Mountain is Washington's Hermitage, the 2019 harvest he ran on a busted body with a crew that delivered, and what he'd tell anyone planting grapes in this state right now.

Wine Poured

2022 Force Majeure Épinette

Red Mountain AVA · Merlot & Cabernet Franc

About the Guest

Louis Skinner is the winemaker and partner at Force Majeure Vineyards on Red Mountain, and the winemaker at Weathereye Vineyards. Trained under Bob Betz, MW at Betz Family Winery. Based in Washington State.

Chapter Guide

  • 0:00 Cold open
  • 0:49 Intro
  • 1:10 Louis's origin story
  • 10:58 Betz Family Winery and Bob Betz
  • 22:10 Force Majeure and Red Mountain
  • 26:50 Opening the 2022 blend
  • 36:05 Harvest decisions and the rapid color liberation test
  • 39:40 Washington wine's future
  • 42:45 The wine that changed everything

Episode 2

49 Min

Burgundy in Puget Sound.

with Kim & Larry Harris, Bayernmoor Cellars, Puget Sound AVA

Presented by Mistral WineCards & the Wine with Seth App

The Puget Sound AVA is the part of Washington wine almost nobody talks about. Most of the state's serious wine sits east of the Cascades in the rain shadow, on land that can grow basically anything. The west side is harder. It's wetter, cooler, more temperamental, and the few wines that come out of it have rarely justified the experiment. Kim and Larry Harris had 100 acres of family land in Stanwood, about 45 minutes north of Seattle, and a hunch that the answer there was Pinot Noir. They paid Washington State University to study the site for two years before planting a single vine. WSU came back with weather-station data and soil pits and a verdict: the growing-degree-days were close enough to Burgundy to take the swing.

Kim and Larry met in law school. Larry still practices; Kim spent years as an attorney in San Francisco before they moved north to figure out what to do with the family property. Larry brought a patent lawyer's brain to viticulture and a math-and-engineering background to winemaking, which translates to records he can pull on every gram of fruit and every barrel decision they've made since planting in 2011. The vineyard is six acres of Pinot Noir at 700 feet of elevation, south-facing, on sandy loam they amended with dolomite to dial in the pH. They're certified sustainable, salmon safe, and herbicide free. Bud break and pruning are done by hand row by row. The Précoce clone and the 777 clone grow eight feet apart and behave like different varietals, two weeks apart on every milestone of the season.

We tasted three. The 2025 White Pinot Noir is sourced from Celilo Vineyard and just being released to their club; this was the first bottle ever opened from that lot. The 2023 Estate Pinot Noir, Clone Précoce, took Double Gold at the San Francisco Chronicle Wine Competition. The 2023 Estate Pinot Noir, Clone 777, won 98 points, Double Platinum, and Best Red in the Pacific Northwest at the Great Northwest Wine Platinum Awards, beating every red from Oregon, Washington, British Columbia, and Idaho. Larry says he is on a mission to make the best Pinot Noir in the world. After tasting all three side by side, the more interesting question isn't whether he can pull it off. It's how many people will be willing to drive 45 minutes north of Seattle to find out.

Wine Poured

2023 Estate Pinot Noir, Clone 777

Puget Sound AVA · 98 pts · Best Red in the Pacific Northwest

About the Guest

Kim Harris grew up on the Stanwood property her parents bought in the 1980s, lived in what is now the production building, and trained as an attorney before returning home with her husband Larry. Larry, also an attorney and the working winemaker at Bayernmoor, holds a patent law practice in parallel to running the cellar, and brings a math-and-engineering background to every decision in the vineyard and on the crush pad. They planted six acres of Pinot Noir in 2011 after two years of WSU site analysis, opened a tasting room in Woodinville, and now produce roughly 5,000 cases a year across estate clones and Eastern Washington fruit. Their 2023 Clone 777 is currently the highest-rated red wine in the Pacific Northwest.

Chapter Guide

  • 00:00 A Bottle of Drouhin and 100 Acres
  • 02:46 Why a Vineyard, Not Cattle or Corn
  • 04:21 WSU's Finding: Burgundy in Puget Sound
  • 06:55 700 Feet, Sandy Loam, and the Fog Line Across the Street
  • 09:38 A Patent Lawyer Who Tracks Every Gram
  • 12:53 The Vineyard Year and the Précoce / 777 Split
  • 19:24 Tasting the 2025 White Pinot Noir from Celilo
  • 31:50 The 2023 Précoce: Double Gold at the SF Chronicle
  • 36:54 The 2023 Clone 777: Best Red in the Pacific Northwest

Where to Watch & Listen

Pick Your Platform.

Full video on YouTube. Audio on every major podcast platform. New episodes drop to all three the same day.

The Series Continues

More Coming Soon.

New episodes release monthly. Winemakers, trade pros, and the occasional wine lover. One or two bottles at a time.

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Coming June

Episode 3

Brooke Delmas Robertson

Delmas · SJR Vineyard

Filmed in Walla Walla's Rocks District. Brooke Delmas Robertson on burying vines in winter, rebuilding after three deep freezes, and the case for drinking your good wine now.

The Format

A Real Conversation, Not a Review.

Twenty to forty-five minutes with one guest, one or two bottles, filmed on-location or at the tasting room. No scripts. No scores. No production theater.

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What It Is

  • A long conversation, compressed to the best parts.
  • Filmed on-location or at the guest's tasting room.
  • One or two wines the guest wants to pour.
  • Published on YouTube and every major podcast platform.
  • Hosted by a WSET-certified educator with twenty years in the industry.

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What It Isn't

  • A wine review show.
  • A scripted interview with prepared questions.
  • A sales pitch for the wines poured.
  • A studio production with three cameras and a crew.
  • A critic scoring a bottle out of a hundred.

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What Guests Bring

  • One to two wines they want to share.
  • Roughly 90 minutes of their time on recording day.
  • A willingness to go beyond the tasting room talking points.
  • Stories from the vineyard, the cellar, or the career.

WineChats × WineSchool

The Conversations Behind the Curriculum.

Every episode of WineChats is a real conversation with someone who knows their corner of the wine world cold. WineSchool is what happens when those conversations get structured into a program you can work through at your own pace. Same material, two formats. Watch and listen, then learn.

Episode 1 · WineChats

"Perfect ripeness is the most bullshit explanation I've ever heard."

Louis Skinner · Force Majeure

Mistral WineCards Deck ONE · Whole Cluster terroir card

For Winemakers, Wine Pros, and Storytellers

Think You Belong on WineChats?

Seth is always looking for the next conversation. Winemakers with something to say. Importers, buyers, sommeliers, educators. People who care about wine past the tasting room pitch.

You make wine, sell it, teach it, or champion it.

You have a story past the talking points.

You can offer roughly 90 minutes on recording day.

You're willing to open one or two bottles on camera.

Typical response time: within one week.

Download the guest sheet (PDF)